RexSystem1 voteMerged from #1062originally by @Zambito1 on GitHub1 reply
This may seem obvious to you, but as I am someone who has never moderated a group larger than people I would call my friends, can you elaborate on what the function of "evidence preservation" is? Why do you need that?
I will also say, I saw the discussions in the Visionary chat regarding this, and I think that it's safe to say people were misunderstanding and misrepresenting what your are proposing here. Privacy is a touchy subject, and I err against retention that I consider unecessary, but it is clear that you thought about the privacy side of this (in the disaccociation, explicit representation in the UI). The main issue for me is: why?
RexSystem1 voteMerged from #1062originally by @Juliaxe on GitHub
I don't feel like you've addressed my main point here - often as moderators you need to delete stuff to protect your users and with your suggestion this would mean destroying the evidence in cases where you really do want to keep a user banned
Sorry? I don't understand. With my suggestion, this would mean preserving the evidence (at the very least for a longer amount of time). For example, one could argue that messages in a Logging channel ARE susceptible to being deleted via the Privacy Dashboard, but only after a slightly extended period of time (i.e: 1 month after the initial deletion request or immediately if the message in the Log channel is older than 1 year, whichever is sooner).
You saying that it wasn't your suggestion to just not log evidence also confuses me, because you said:
This doesn't address a user appealing years after the fact either, but with your suggestion I feel that a moderator could just use the excuse that they deleted the content because it was very bad (which could also be perfectly reasonable)
And:
There are many cases where you want to delete content to avoid people from being exposed to it. Say somebody posts some not-so-wholesome content in your wholesome community - you probably want to remove that as quickly as possible especially to avoid any younger users seeing it. In fact, in cases like these it's the most important that the user stays banned... and that does mean the evidence is gone... there is no longer concrete proof they did anything.
Maybe I might have misunderstood but the general principle is to always log evidence if you're running a larger server.
That being said, what is your "main point" if I keep missing/not addressing it?
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